Joker
R


(not yet seen)


(My comment made to Jeremy Jahns video posted 10/06/2019 concerning Joker Theories)

The discussion of did this really happen concerning events/memories in Joker give me headaches (as do discussion about paradoxes in time travel). I have not seen this film, but have deliberately ventured into spoilers. I will see this film when the static dies down for its craft, acting, cinematography and writing. Events like those in this movie require me "to immunize" myself with tiny spoiler-ific doses of violence and despair so that I can go the movie and come out without needing any drugs more potent than caffeine.



This is one of the best, most coherent discussions on this movie that I have seen or heard as of this comment. Panel does its part to distribute some sanity and thought into a world with some clueless people who are angry at a movie that they may not have even seen and who are also ignorant of the nature of movies, Movies reflect, not create, reality.



The violence (aside from the puppy in John Wick 1 and the eye of an opponent in John Wick 3) in the John Wick series is at comic book level. I cannot understand how anyone who has seen Joker could posit that the film glorifies violence. Perhaps these people are afraid that this movie excuses violence. Actually with Arthur Fleck being so unlikeable and repellant no matter what his mental condition may be, glorification seems doubtful. I have heard some reviewers hypothesize that Arthur Fleck is hallucinating much of the "Joker"scenes. I think Joker will require multiple viewings where I can pause, ff and rerun scenes before I go along with that theory.


I have not yet seen Joker. I agree that I would like to see more of an arc (or descent) for the main character of a movie. Whether Joker is a canonical prequel to the DC character of the Joker or just a living symbol for the director's viewpoint of society, it does not matter. What is the point of seeing the early life of a character without some sort of an evolution. Internet talk (always a source both for imagination and negativity) indicates that there may be a Joker 2 in development.